Season 9: Episode 6 | Spiritual Transformation and Family Systems (Part 1)

Church leaders seldom crash and burn because they fail at preaching or ministering. Christian leaders often burn out because they don’t know how to manage themselves and what they’re experiencing. In the first episode of a two-part conversation we lay the groundwork for understanding how human relationships work and our part in those relationships referencing the eight concepts of family systems theory developed by Murray Bowen.  Ruth is joined by a new friend R. Robert Creech (PhD, Baylor University), an experienced pastor and seminary teacher to discuss the first three concepts.  Robert is the director of pastoral ministries at George W. Truett Theological Seminary, Baylor University, in Waco, Texas and is the author of several books.


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Mentioned in this podcast:
Family Systems and Congregational Life: A Map for Ministry, R. Robert Creech
The Leader’s Journey: Accepting the Call to Personal and Congregational Transformation, Jim Herrington , Trisha Taylor, and R. Robert Creech
Extraordinary Relationships: A New Way of Thinking About Human Interactions, Roberta M. Gilbert

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Transforming Community
Ruth Haley Barton

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Music Credit:
New Way to Live written by Joel Hanson. I am New written by Joel Hanson and Jason Gray.

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Thanks so much for this episode, it was wonderful!
As Robert talked about self differentiation, and the practice of noticing our own behaviors, I wondered about the need for contemplative prayer as a prerequisite to the ability to notice one’s own behaviors. From my own experience, the contemplative prayer practices that I learned in Transforming Community are what began to build up and form my own inner being enough so that I had the ability to notice my own behaviors. In other words, contemplative prayer creates self differentiation, which makes self observation possible. Or maybe they simply mutually support each other?! Either way, I would add contemplative prayer to the list of practices that support healthy boundaries in human systems. Thanks so much for the incredible resource this podcast offers! It’s such a gift to many of us!

Agree that would be a wonderful practice to self differentiate!

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