Season 9: Episode 2 | The Struggle to Give our Lives Away

“The human soul is like a fine wine that needs to ferment in various barrels as it ages and mellows…Growing up and maturing is precisely a process of fermentation.  It does not happen easily, without effort and without breakdown.  But it happens almost despite us, because such is the effect of a conspiracy between God and nature to mellow the soul.
– Fr. Ron Rolheiser, Sacred Fire


In the second-part of Ruth’s conversation with author Fr. Ronald Rolheiser, Ruth discusses the temptations and invitations of the second stage of discipleship – those giving their lives away. This is the stage where most of us find ourselves! The choice in this stage  is between bitterness and gratitude. This episode is great reminder to take pleasure in your life and to remember that anger takes you away from gratitude.

This conversation is drawn from his profound and thought-provoking book, Sacred Fire: A Vision for a Deeper Human and Christian MaturityWe pray these three episodes will serve you well as you begin your Lenten journey.

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Mentioned in this podcast:
The Holy Longing: The Search for a Christian Spirituality Ronald Rolheiser
Sacred Fire: A Vision for a Deeper Human and Christian Maturity Ronald Rolheiser

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New Way to Live written by Joel Hanson. I am New written by Joel Hanson and Jason Gray.

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