Episode 4 | Engaging the Scriptures for Transformation

What happens to a leader’s soul when s/he only engages Scripture for ministry? Steve asks for a friend. 😉 What can a pastor or leader do when they are no longer encountering God in Scripture? Join us for an enlightening discussion about the practice of finding yourself in the Biblical story — especially difficult for leaders who want to “make it happen.” Ruth affirms the importance of moving from information to transformation in our approach to Scripture, and emphasizes how important it is for pastors to create space for God to surprise them through Scripture. All this and more in episode 4 of Season 1: Sacred Rhythms in the Life of the Leader.


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What is the Corinthians 10 Scripture referenced by Ruth?

I listened to the podcast again and did not hear Ruth mention the passage. Can you tell a time into the episode?

It’s about the 28-min mark

Regarding living within limits. Thanks!

The passage I referred to is II Corinthians 10:12-17.

Many thanks!!

Hi Stephanie! Here is the site: http://www.ontheeighthday.com – enjoy!

Wonderful, thank you!

Thanks – I was looking for this too!

Hi, can you provide the link to the Lectio Divina readings website (linked to the common lectionary, I believe) mentioned in the podcast? Someone from Steve’s church set it up. It sounds just like what I’m looking for. Thanks so much for the podcast, I’m finding it a tall glass of fresh water in this busy season and am recommending it to all my ministry friends.

You can find it right on our website under resources, but here is the link. You can also visit Vanderbilt Divinity Library, they have a great online resource. Glad the podcast has been refreshing you, please leave a review and a rating on iTunes. This will help more people find it. Blessing on your journey!

Thanks for the response! I was actually looking for the website where there are audio readings of the scripture available (I know I can also listen on the Bible App). I believe the host said someone from his church had launched such a service. But I do appreciate the links provided, they will be helpful. I’ll definitely review the podcast soon.i

I will ask Steve to reply.

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