Season 30: Episode 3 | Trusting God in the Great and Terrible Wilderness

Ruth continues this season on stages of faith, urging churches to become communities “big enough” to hold people across the spiritual journey. This week she focuses on the deeper wilderness that leads toward union with God, likening it to Israel’s “great and terrible wilderness” where what must die does die. She describes the dark night of the senses (loss of familiar spiritual consolations) and the dark night of the spirit (God “behind the cloud,” experienced as absence yet actually overwhelming closeness), as purifications preparing for transforming union. Ruth also explores why many churches and pastors are unequipped for this stage, highlights spiritual direction as vital support, and emphasizes the journey unfolds at God’s initiative, not ours. For any of us who have experienced, or are experiencing a season in the wilderness, this one’s for you.

In this season, titled Journeying Through Stages of Faith in the Family of God, we will be exploring the stages of faith as a model for our own growth and our ability to support our communities in their growth. Looking through the lens of faith and human development, as well as biblical stories, Ruth will share four distinct stages of faith and provide listeners with support for themselves as well as thoughts on how leaders can more wisely resource individuals and communities as they navigate these different stages of the journey.


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Music Credit:

  • Kingdom Come by Aaron Niequist
  • Anthem from Music in Solitude

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Support the podcast!  This season on Substack,we will do more work naming and describing each of the stages that we talk about, talking about what’s needed during those stages, and providing a couple of key questions that you can think about as a community, as it has to do with that particular stage of faith. Become a paid member of Substack today to receive these practices and so much more!


The Transforming Center board and staff have been prayerfully discerning significant questions about our ministry’s future. We have been asking what faithfulness requires in this season, whether our current organizational model is sustainable, and how the work of strengthening the souls of pastors and leaders and the congregations and organizations they serve might best be carried forward. If you’d like to know more about this pivotal season for the Transforming Center please visit our website https://transformingcenter.org/a-pivotal-moment/.

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