Season 30: Episode 2 | Lessons from the Roundabout Way

Ruth continues this season’s exploration of stages of faith in the family of God, overlaying Fowler’s developmental insights and the Exodus as a communal journey rather than an individual one. In this episode, she traces movement from pre-awareness to awakening, then to a decisive turning point or conversion where we trust ourselves to God amid fear, loss, and uncertainty, often after things worsen. Using her own job-leaving story and Paul’s waiting after conversion, she highlights the liminal space that follows. She then describes “illumination” as Israel’s God-guided “roundabout way”: a formative season of spiritual flourishing, tangible guidance, provision, instruction for community, and lessons in trust. She also names the predictable onset of ambivalence and the dark night of the senses, urging communities not to lose those in darker seasons. We conclude with an invitation to remember and mark where God has met them along the way.

In this season, titled Journeying Through Stages of Faith in the Family of God, we will be exploring the stages of faith as a model for our own growth and our ability to support our communities in their growth. Looking through the lens of faith and human development, as well as biblical stories, Ruth will share four distinct stages of faith and provide listeners with support for themselves as well as thoughts on how leaders can more wisely resource individuals and communities as they navigate these different stages of the journey.


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Music Credit:

  • Kingdom Come by Aaron Niequist
    Prayer for Healing from Music in Solitude

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Support the podcast!  This season on Substack,we will do more work naming and describing each of the stages that we talk about, talking about what’s needed during those stages, and providing a couple of key questions that you can think about as a community, as it has to do with that particular stage of faith. Become a paid member of Substack today to receive these practices and so much more!


The Transforming Center board and staff have been prayerfully discerning significant questions about our ministry’s future. We have been asking what faithfulness requires in this season, whether our current organizational model is sustainable, and how the work of strengthening the souls of pastors and leaders and the congregations and organizations they serve might best be carried forward. If you’d like to know more about this pivotal season for the Transforming Center please visit our website https://transformingcenter.org/a-pivotal-moment/.

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