Season 29: Episode 4 | The Persistence of Hope: Navigating Race and Ethnicity in America
Ruth welcomes Rev. Dr. Prince Rivers to discuss becoming human with God in our bodies through the complicated embodied realities of race and ethnicity in the United States. They reflect on current events in May 2026, including a Supreme Court ruling challenging Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act, racial profiling, and immigration fears, and Prince describes the heightened anxiety, hesitation, and economic insecurity he sees in his congregation. As a parent, pastor, and leader, he shares concerns for his children, the strain of counseling laid-off workers, and the impact of shrinking educational resources for Black and brown students. They emphasize the need for deep listening, empathy, and reimagined formation—including justice—grounded in scripture, lament, and hope, and Prince speaks to the whole church about solidarity, resisting colorblindness, and honoring the incarnation.
Over on Substack Prince shares the practices that have helped him to stay faithful in hope and keep him working in this area of being human in the midst of pain.
Season 29 is titled Becoming Human: With God in Our Bodies. Our goals this season are to confront the dualism between life in the body and life in the spirit, to hear stories of people who experienced their bodies as a place of encounter with God, and to explore the connection between the integration of life in our bodies and our spiritual lives with our leadership. We will be having deep, spiritual conversations with friends of the Transforming Center about their very human experiences in their bodies and how they’ve experienced God in and throughout these experiences. We will explore God in concrete bodily realities like gender, sexuality, race, ability, aging, illness, and death, to name a few.
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Mentioned in this episode:
- Won’t You Celebrate With Me (Poem by Lucille Clifton)
Music Credit:
- Kingdom Come by Aaron Niequist
- Tender Moment from Music in Solitude
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