BONUS: A Conversation with Glenn Packiam on Being a Resilient Pastor, Challenges Facing the Church, and Cultivating A Spiritual Life

We can’t wait for you to hear this encouraging conversation between Ruth and Glenn Packiam, a pastor and author of The Resilient Pastor: Leading Your Church in a Rapidly Changing World. Glenn and Ruth shared their thoughts on why it’s so hard for pastors to prioritize their life with God, performing our spirituality vs. cultivating a spiritual life, challenges facing pastors and the church, and what we’re learning about pastors’ spirituality.

We hope this conversation encourages you today.  Check out The Resilient Pastor and Glenn’s podcast, “The Resilient Pastor Podcast.”

You can preorder Ruth’s next book, Embracing Rhythms of Work and Rest: From Sabbath to Sabbatical and Back Again! Want to be a part of the book launch? Learn more.


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Listen to other episodes from Season 16 Access past podcast seasons

Music Credit:
Kingdom Come by Aaron Niequist
Innocence from Music in Solitude

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